Rubadubdub -
Welcome to the big roudy family! Lots of us new ones here, enjoying how to live and learn.
Looking forward to your posts - GfG
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As a JW, how did you feel about shunning?
by jwfacts ini am interested in the answers for a new poll.
also, feel free to suggest other options, wording etc.agreed in full with the watchtower guidelinesagreed with shunning in general, but not for familywas stumbled by this practice but shunned as instructeddid not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people .
for me personally, i did not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people, even whilst at bethel.
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My apologies to everyone on this board (please read).
by Joliette inabout a month ago, i wrote a post about a sister that keeps coming to my apartment giving me watchtowers.
i called her an older sister.
she is in her late 50's.
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Jeliette - i I have sad7funny story about this very phenomenon.
In 1964, a fellow died in a single car crash, at tremendous speed, late one summer night. Our parents watched from their bedroom as the car missed the curve and the headliights flipped over and over, into the valley beside the curve.
Two days later, the mans sister showed up at our farm, as my parents had actually witnessed the crash. The car was a 1956 Chrysler with a huge hemi engine, it literaly screamed past our farm, at full throttle. The mans sister was inconsolable, surely there must have been another car to force her brother off a good paved road, were they sure he wasn't being pursued to be diving so fast, could there have been livestock on the road, a blown tire maybe, the weather?
Mom and dad could only explain what she just could not accept - there were no brake lights her dear brother had either fallen asleep, or was looking at the radio as he rocketed into the first curve in nine miles of straight road.
That evening as my brother and I rounded up the cows for milking, we were discussing the sisters visit.
At the wise old age of 11 and 12 years , we concluded the sister was way too concerned and emotional as her brother was already old enough to have 'one foot already in the grave' anyway. The man ,as it turned out, was the ripe old age of 36 years .
I thought about that man all my life, as I reached his age and well beyond. When my son dies in his 30s and I at 55 cried every day for 9 months.
Perspectives change.
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As a JW, how did you feel about shunning?
by jwfacts ini am interested in the answers for a new poll.
also, feel free to suggest other options, wording etc.agreed in full with the watchtower guidelinesagreed with shunning in general, but not for familywas stumbled by this practice but shunned as instructeddid not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people .
for me personally, i did not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people, even whilst at bethel.
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Ashamed to say that as a young elder, I sat on 2 committees, that (I can't even type the word) 'ejected' a very old man and then later, his son (father of a large family) both for drunkenness.
A few years later, I resigned, fast-faded and was booted myself. Only then did I realize the hateful suffering that had been inflicted on a family that could have been spared it.
When one employs a term such as 'young elder', one should recognize a likely disconnect with good judgement.
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Fading JW goes against 3 Mormons
by Gojira_101 inwell as the title says it.
i had 3 mormons "call" on me a few minutes ago.
this is the first time being on the other side of the door knocking.
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Gojira - well done!
This summer I had a great old gabfest, with 2 very young mormon boys working our town.
They were pleased and surprised, as they said they had yet to meet a JW that would even speak to them! This in a town of about 4500 with a kindom hall in it! and I'm an apostate!
They asked loads of questions. Guess we apostates have to do everything ..sheeesh.
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Watchtower Insurance - conflict of interest ?
by Pterist ini open this thread as a new topic after receiving an update from atlantis on wbts insurance coverage.. while we are on the subject of insurance , does anyone know if the org.
takes out life insurance on its members ?
recently, it was exposed that walmart and a lot of businesses take out a "special" life insurance on their employees.
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Insurance is a huge way to hide/launder million in profits or excess 'donations' .
Off-shore tax havens register as many phoney 'Insurance Companies' as they do phoney 'Banks'
Huge legal firms design, manage and register thousands of 'locally legal' companies on your behalf. They put in place layer upon layer of deception, making it difficult to trace the actual principals and clients..
If a major church or charity wanted to hide donations, they could register some secret, untraceable 'insurance' corporations.... and happily pay themselves way, way too much for insurance coverage...athe same level of secrecy making it impossible for any claims to make it to completion.
Any of those wts lawyers have condos in Turks and Caycos, Isle of Wight, Luxembourg, Cayman Islands, etc... thats where the Mormons hide theirs.
Don't suppose anyone has ever asked how much and who to is the wts making payments?
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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs
by Lady Lee inthw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
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Black Sheep-
makes a great point about including not just baptised but those born-in. I would include those even associated from a formative age (3- 18 yrs. ) .
Baptism is not a requirement to have ones worldview and logical/reasoning skill completely perverted by wts teaching. Many taking their own lives as adults, are nevertheless still suffering from abuse or delusions they were subjected to at any of youiths formative stages.
I was an 'elder' during my childrens preteen and teen years and, when my eldest pubescent son developed the classic traits of mental illness. We were viewed as a 'model' JW family (to be presented at our Circuit Assembly as an example.
In reality, we were just hardcore JWs, hardcore critics, hardcore disciplinarians, hardcore ignoramuses, hardcore hypocrites. With a Registered Nurse for a mother, and an 'elder' for a father, my kids had parents who pranced all over two counties pretending to bring 'salvation' to others while not recognizing that we were verbally poisoning the minds of our own beloved children.
When still in high school, my son began to drink, do drugs, listen to hideous, horrifying, vulgar, music. He began to hear and fear 'voices' during that time - but never said anything for years as he thought he was demonized . Where do you suppose that reasoning came from?
Yes many, many, many tormented and destroyed lives, are the direct consequences association with the wts and their teachings.
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I plan on doing just that - this coming summer. I may be wearing a kilt (wink, wink)
GfG
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Proof that Bible is a Hoax
by Monsieur inif the bible is really a very intricate hoax, what is the objective?.
i've read some theories that it has been used to succesfully make a 'business' of religion.. is this really it?
to make money?.
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jgnat -
You never fail to amaze!
What is the significance of the blocks of colours, (I can't make out all the text - old eyes)
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The account of Ananias and Sapphira at Acts 5 categorically proves the Bible is not inerrant
by yadda yadda 2 ingo and read it again at acts 5: 11. ananias and sapphira drop dead at peter's feet for "playing false to god/holy spirit" by not giving all of the money to peter that they got from a field they sold.
ananias and sapphira were christians.
they wanted to help the poor and so sold one of their possessions, a field, and gave most of the money to peter.
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How's this for a possibility-
The asking price of the field, may well have been be public knowledge (for sale sign), thus Peter and other nieghbours would have an anticipated amount fixed in their minds.
The couple sell the field for a major down payment, and extend credit to the buyer for the remainder. Peter, like the WTS, wants the money NOW.
The couple give him the full amount recieved, but can't commit to the portion on credit.
They may actually have been very poor and the greatest, real security of the poor is a piece of land -much the same even today.
They had no guarantee of the balance ever being paid - what if the buyer, died or fell sick, or cheated them? -all things beyond their control - and they had already given freely, ALL of what little security they had.
Pete knew the asking price of 10 and when he only got 7 or 8, he lost it, without all the facts - much like a modern day Judicial Committees.
GfG
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The account of Ananias and Sapphira at Acts 5 categorically proves the Bible is not inerrant
by yadda yadda 2 ingo and read it again at acts 5: 11. ananias and sapphira drop dead at peter's feet for "playing false to god/holy spirit" by not giving all of the money to peter that they got from a field they sold.
ananias and sapphira were christians.
they wanted to help the poor and so sold one of their possessions, a field, and gave most of the money to peter.
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